Nurse Ratched
3:51 Sun Aug 31
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Does anybody have objections to secondary moderns?
Can't say I have noticed a groundswell of opinion against them.
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stomper
3:49 Sun Aug 31
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Why is it that everyone wants to reintroduce grammar schools but no one wants to reintroduce secondary moderns (which, of course, most people would actually go to).
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eusebiovic
3:45 Sun Aug 31
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Nurse Ratched 3:29 Sun Aug 31
I concur...
:-)
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stomper
3:45 Sun Aug 31
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no
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Justin R
3:36 Sun Aug 31
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UKIP are just a slightly more mental version of the Conservative party.
What they offer is not really even worth discussing, because the people who believe that all the ills of the world can be lain at the feet of immigration policy won't listen, and anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of reality already knows.
The real question is, how do you effect change, when even the fringes of Political debate in the UK is wrapped in the same neo-liberal clothing as the mainstream parties who have failed so visibly and thoroughly for the last 60 years.
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Nurse Ratched
3:29 Sun Aug 31
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So what?
A chimp in a red rosette or a chimp in a blue rosette is still a chimp.
No material differences in their policies. Nothing that is significant.
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PorkHole
3:27 Sun Aug 31
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Splitting the Tory vote will pave the way for a Labour victory next May
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Hammer and Pickle
3:16 Sun Aug 31
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Where did I claim I had anything other than limited knowledge of the UK economy?
Nowhere. All I did was present a coherent argument based on a rudimentary analysis you completely failed even to address.
Instead you carry on about knowing where I live like a kid in a school playground...
... hold on, you're on a wind-up, aren't you?
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Annony
3:05 Sun Aug 31
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H&P, I can't take you seriously living in Poland. You can't possibly know what it is like here unless you are hands on. Even UK Politicians are well out of touch living in their own bubble and they live here.
You can read all you want about the UK on the internet and have a PhD in Economics it won't help.
Don't embarrass yourself lecturing us about something you know nothing of. Your knowledge of the UK economy is about the same as my knowledge of the Polish economy, limited at best. Your nothing more than a Chancer.
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Hammer and Pickle
2:46 Sun Aug 31
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Yes Annony.
You have already made it very clear you have nothing to say. Why carry on embarrassing yourself though?
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Annony
2:33 Sun Aug 31
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You live in Poland, say no more.
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eusebiovic
2:31 Sun Aug 31
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Will they Fuck...
Green
That is all
I drink my tea
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Hammer and Pickle
2:17 Sun Aug 31
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I don't think you understand the first thing about the economic reality directly affecting your life Annony. At least you fail to address any of the points I've made while throwing some half-baked insults at foreign workers in the UK without even specifying how demand for that labour is to be reduced or considering the consequences of said measures.
You are the classic victim of populist politics and the perfect UKIP voter.
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Nurse Ratched
1:44 Sun Aug 31
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UKIP won't ever get elected in enough numbers to make a difference. Their presence might be a thorn in the side of the tories and labour, but nothing more.
This country will continue to elect centrist or slightly left of centre govts (likely in coalitions) for ours, our children's and possibly even our grandchildren's lifetimes.
There is no meaningful difference in the policies and outlook of the two main parties, so it is pointless attempting tactical voting to keep one or other out, or getting anxious about splitting the vote.
The demographics of this country have changed almost beyond recognition in the last couple of decades. So has its attitude.
All UKIP can do is cause a nuisance and I hope they do. I hope small parties on the genuine left will also cause a similar nuisance.
Labour and the tories thoroughly deserve an uncomfortable berth.
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Annony
1:43 Sun Aug 31
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Most pathetic thing I've ever read on Who. This is the reason we should get out of the EU. SME's are the largest employers in the UK and are only being kept alive due to low interest rates. The Bank of England sets our interest rates not the EU (although they will if you let them).
Foreign workers are mostly all low skilled, need training, don't speak English to a decent level, they all want the same pay and work contract the same as anyone else, there is no cheap labour, maybe illegals on a farm picking fruit. I could go on. In short they are a total waste of space. Any business is only as good as it's staff and no business will survive with these wasters. Selling up my SME after 10 years and 4 EU members will be losing their employment. I will work from home and employ no one, just me. Can't wait, I won't lose any sleep.
"and it would be disastrous for small and medium sized business in the UK"
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kips
1:34 Sun Aug 31
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They will.
At the next election they will attract a large number of Tory votes and even same labour ones.
The more problems there are in the Middle east and Ukraine the more it will attract.
It will also gather votes from the previous undecided and a good deal of protest votes against the established parties.
It will be very interesting next year.
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Scraper
1:27 Sun Aug 31
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No one is.
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Nurse Ratched
1:23 Sun Aug 31
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Nah, not reading that.
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Nurse Ratched
1:23 Sun Aug 31
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(nt)
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cm7906464
1:13 Sun Aug 31
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If I say I believe it would make a difference and shake up politics a little I'll be classed has being racist.
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Hammer and Pickle
1:11 Sun Aug 31
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Since you find my interest here so hard to grasp I'll tell you. Above all, I find UKIP and its policies embarrassing as a British citizen living in the EU.
Also, I believe, as the smarter of you have rightly pointed out, that departure of the UK from the EU would destabilise business conditions in Europe, which would be very bad for me as a small businessman. However, it's an ill wind that blows no one any good, and it would be disastrous for small and medium sized business in the UK as well, while no doubt the likes of BP, Monsanto, Gasprom and Nestle are rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of the run on Stirling and spiking interest rates they would so easily be able to orchestrate if UKIP ever got the opportunity to actually implement its buffoonery on Europe.
Yes, it also has everything to do with me for so many other geopolitical reasons, which by the way involve my doubt that the Poles will be able to help you pluck your chestnuts out of the European fire in the knick of time again.
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